Getting Mormon Men back into the game.

        I will not lie, I've been out of the dating scene for a few months. Sure I made out with a few women (more like girls). But I  have BEEN OUT OF THE REAL GAME! The biggest thing however that keeps men out of the game are these two things.

• You cannot get a dates with women you don't meet 
• You can't get dates with women you friend zone. 
• You can't date women who friend zone you

Yeah I promised 2 yet named 3. This is why..

       If your bitching about me writing 3 points, when I promised 2 you will be eaten up by women. If you can't adapt to your date liking taylor swift, how will you adapt to her ex boy friend dating your ex in order to get even with you. The reason my third bullet point is "You can't date women who friend zone you." is third is because that my friend is what 99% of loser dudes bitch about. 

     "She friend zoned me and I'm so awesome I have been going to golds for over 2 years, my abs look like they are carved out of marble."  

      

       Well guess what for some reason she IS NOT INTERESTED. So you must move on. I'm going back into the game, and I am dreading it.  Mainly because the mormon culture does not gather large groups of attractive women together often. You can ward hop, Gym hop, join the disney movie club at byu idaho, I don't care. You will never find a group of 50 attractive LDS girls with no boyfriends/fiancés/husbands that have no other options. WON'T HAPPEN (if it does call me). So the simple thing to do is. 

Everyday meet women- wherever you can however you can. 

Everyday never come off as friend zone material- Mormons that abide by gospel principles only bang one person in their lifetimes. (and you get to meet up in heaven for eternity so you probably should be rather fond of your soulmate.) What does this mean? You better be 100 % YOU!!! "Well what if I suck?" well if you suck I advice you to not suck. 

Homework 

1. Meet Women
2. Flirt with women
3. Go over the top bold with flirting
4. Meet women

This is Mr. Tim your average guy making the dive back into dating with you.... Signing off

Be Icy

Hello readers my name is Icy E IV, a guest contributor to the Mormon Dating Guru blog.  I am a long-time friend of Dr NCMO Love Master Jay and the rest of the Gurus. Our advice is unique, and I find the most successful way, to date 21^st Century Mormon women. We aren't little puppy-dog RM's who got home from our missions two months ago, bumbling around trying to get engaged by the end of the week. We have all been in "the game" for years: specifically in the Mormon community.

I graduated from BYU and know all about the exceedingly peculiar dating scene there. I now attend a university in the United States where the Mormon dating scene is very different from that in Utah. After having been a member of nearly a dozen singles wards I know all about the social dynamics of dating in one.

Today I want to talk about being "icy." What does it mean to be icy? Being icy means that you can stay cool regardless of what kind of crazy stuff may be happening around you. There are two main scenarios when it is paramount to remain icy: when approaching, and when being tested by chicks.

APPROACHING. When a man approaches a woman it is natural for him to be nervous. All you 21 year old guys may think you’re experts at picking up women because you spent two years talking to strangers, but approaching women is different because your ego gets invested in the situation—trust me. Don't be a pushover who gets hurt when he is rejected. Although it’s easier said than done you need to remove your fear of rejection. Before you approach, realize that “YOU ARE THE MAN” and if a woman rejects you it's only because she doesn't know how awesome you are yet! Don't get butt hurt, there are hundreds of thousands of ladies that want to get scooped up by you. When you are icy, and don't care what the outcome will be, you will have major success. You gotta be icy.

BEING TESTED. When you're in a relationship, your gf will want to get to know you by experiencing a range of emotions. She will naturally test you, and one way that she will do this is by acting entirely out of character (such as freaking out at you) to see how you respond. Don't be alarmed, this is all inherent in all females. Be icy. Don't try to talk her through the situation. Any input WHATSOEVER will only affect the situation negatively. After she has gone on her rampage, just say in a cool tone "are you done?" You've demonstrated that you can be icy and put up with her crap. Women love to jabber and they just need to get all their emotions out. By being icy and simply listening to what she has to say she'll calm down and want you worse than ever. Be authentic about it too. If you really engage in listening to what is on her mind she will love you even more.

Being icy means that you are a self-actualized individual and that you don’t need approval from anyone else. This is the most attractive personality. And you can learn to be icy. Too many people seeks relationships as a source of approval. Love yourself first and everyone else will love you too. Yes, I'll say that again, love yourself first and everyone else will love you too. 

A good example of being icy is shown in the clip below. Arnold Schwarzenegger gets hit by an egg but he continues on his path like nothing happened. When a woman is testing you, brush off the crap thrown at you and continue on like nothing happened. She'll see the strength of your character right before her eyes and want you badly.

Icy E IV 

Why Mormon Women Risk More By Playing It Safe

Hey this is "RonRon" Paul the Libertarian of love......

Many women have been messaging the LDS Dating Guru Twitter account asking for dating advice. And by a lot I mean A FREAKING TON! The situation that the women are in seem to fall into a few categories.

I like this boy how do I know if he likes me? 

I want to date this boy.. But I am afraid that I might get rejected and ruin our "friendship" 

How can I date a guy, then go back to being friends if I don't like the "vibe" I get when we start dating. 

I'll stop right there. Seems like all women are seeking what most men are also looking for right now. The thing people seem to want should seem obviously dumb, and unattainable.

How do I date someone with absolutely 

ZERO RISK! 

If you can figure out how to gain everything with no risk..... Then I bet you have some fail proof formula to become a billionaire.

What Do We Risk By Doing Nothing? 

Every relationship on the planet started with risk. 

When you went in for a kiss........ RISK 

When you asked out that girl....... RISK 

When you decided to wear that colored shirt to church instead of your missionary garb..RISK 

When you decided to ask your co-worker if they wanted to hang out later...... RISK 

By our inaction, because of fear of a negative reaction we RISK losing all of the good opportunities in our lives. If we even look at the plan of salvation..... Satan=No Risk Jesus=Risk 

          "But Ron Ron, you don't understand! What if I ask a guy out and he rejects me!" What happens if you never ask the guy out? I'll tell you what will happen he will end up dating someone else! Now there are more ways to get a boy to ask you out by taking risks. 

Less Risky Ways To Get a Guy to Ask You Out 

1. Do aggressive flirting- Touch, touch, touch if a girl touches me tons, I'm asking her out. Asking to feel his muscles, or smiling non stop at him are also good. If he is a co-worker the whole office should be thinking "Does she have the hots for him" Odds are his buddy will make him ask you out. 
2. Tell him how good he looks- If a woman compliments me, or calls me hot. I am going to think about taking her out. Complimenting him can't just be about his shoes. A "wow you look ripped in that shirt" is the appropriate way to tell a guy "Oh baby Oh baby". 
3. Joke- Joke about life, you guys dating, his favorite sports teams. Insert some punching and play fighting in here, and your target will start to feel the "Sexual Tension". 

But What if He "Freaks Out" 

Worst case scenario he never talks to you again. I personally am happy when I hit on a girl and get totally and Utterly REJECTED. I think top myself "Damn I'm so happy i didn't waste any more time on that girl." The same applies towards girls. Don't you hate it when you crush on a guy for months....just to find out he has ZERO attraction to you. You just wasted months of your life. 

I know women hate risk. I also know that you want to find a legitimate man to date. I know that men seem stupid. I also know that you will continue to be asked out by dweebs if you continue to take no risks. 

Homework

1. Identify a male that you like. 
2. Aggressively flirt with him, hit on him, or get his number. 
3. Repeat steps One and Two. 

Have a week of risks, and amazing rewards. 

"RonRon" Paul The libertarian of love

Victory is Imminent

Victory 

What is victory? I recently had a buddy of mine date 3 women simultaneously...... for two months, with all the women knowing about the others. However because of a blow up, and the loss of all 3 of his women he views the experience as a loss!!!! 

Now i'm not condoning dating three women at the same time (nor do I condemn it). However Jim just pulled off a feat most mormon males couldn't dream of in their wildest middle of the mission wet dream! So as college starts up its important that we start to appreciate the small victories..... and take credit. I recently had a co-worker of mine complain to me about him not being seen as management material (when he obviously is). I told him he needs to start taking credit for his accomplishments. 

Taking credit for YOUR Accomplishments!

Here are some easy scenarios of things that might happen and your reactions. They are sorted into 3 district categories. 

1. Pussy 
2. Mr Mormon friend zone 
3. Brigham's Boy (the man didn't have that many wives, children, and make the federal government send out an army because of fear of his manliness because he was a pansy.) 

When you approach that girl, and get blown off

• Pussy- Mope around your apartment and talk about how all women in this church are "biatches". Somehow twist it into how if you were only 6 foot instead of 5 foot 8 everything will be alright. Also blame all NCAA athletes especially athletes, because by some miracle they are seeing every single women at your college. 
• Mr Friend Zone- Oh she must be having a really bad day. Make her cookies and come over with your mutual friend. Then try to talk to her about her past "FEELINGS" and "Past relationships." 
• Brigham's Boy- Smile and walk it off. Congratulate yourself on approaching a smoking hottie. Be happy that you didn't end up getting into a relationship with such a rude, bitter, vain woman. Make a goal to approach two more women the next day. 

When you ask out the girl in the ward you have a crush on, and get told she's dating someone in the ward.

• Pussy- Sulk in your room. Apologize 5 times for hitting on her. Then make it very clear that you only consider her a friend. Not notice that she has tuned you out and is now walking away. 
• Mr Friend Zone- Make plans to become friends with her boyfriend, and the girl. Then drive a wedge between both of them with lies and trickery..... then watch her leave for another man not you. 
• Brigham's Boy- Walk away, look for another girl. 

Most of all................. ASSUME YOU WILL WIN! and................. YOU WILL! 

always always assume success. 

Dr NCMO Love Master Jay. 

Tinder me Up! Tinder advice for the mormon male. Part one constructing your profile

If you have a smart phone I know you have heard about the dating app tinder...... go look it up. I'm not an elementary school teacher so I won't be teaching you the basics of this app. I however will break down some ways you can score a ridiculous amount of dates/ncmo on this site.

Getting your profile together

On tinder you have about one second to make a good impression with hot women. This means you have to do a few things immediately. 

• Identify yourself- If a girls photo pops up on tinder and has more than one girl.... I always assume the girl is the ugly one. So I click no fast. Make sure you and only you are in the photo. If she can't identify...she will deny. I suggest you go with 3 types of first photo's 

1. What a normal nice guy- This is usually a picture of you looking nice, smiling, and doing something normal. Try to stay away form the mirror self portraits. Also stay away form photo's where your significantly different than your current body. 
2. OMFG thats hilarious- if you have a picture of you in an outfit or something that literally makes people launch a snot rocket from laughing then indeed you can put this photo up. however you probably will get the "attractive nice empty headed fun loving girl". With these photo's (note these chicks are so easy to score with.) 
3. You with women- Note this has to be done right. If women see's this photo and can identify that you are clearly in the friend zone with all of these chicks you know darn right she will automatically mark the "pussy" box in her mind and pass you. Make sure you and these women are out having fun. Also note these women need to be attractive. I know fat women are far more pleasant and less bitches than their hotter companions. (if you were out to get fatties lets face it you would never be on this site. Men who like fat women rate living in a golden age that the world has never seen.) 

• Mutual "likes"- On tinder two things pop up, mutual friends, and shared likes. The biggest thing is to establish commonality. "oh my gosh we both like running and taylor swift!" (I personally do not recommend liking taylor swift you will be labeled a pussy.) I do recommend two simple ways to use common likes to score dates. 

1. Go out and like as many things as you can- This is a simple strategy....... Yet deadly. When that girl pulls up the results and says "OMG he likes that also!" Commonality that magic word will score you more conversations, more intrest, and more dates. Now some of you nay sayers out their are saying "But what if they wanna talk about something I know nothing about. I have some simple answers. Tell women that you must have liked that on accident. Or........ you just get on this one website I use sometime www.google.com and do some freaking research you lazy broseph!
2. Talk about things people love- If you both love the goo goo dolls then of course you both will naturally start to like each other once you discuss the goo goo dolls! However dont approach it like an idiot! Say me and said girl both have a mutual like for switchfoot. I wont approach her and say

chump: "Hey do you like switchfoot?"

her: "yes"

chump: "Ummm thats awesome! I really like them also!"

her: "(no response)"

How you should ask about mutual likes.





me: "Switchfoot fan eh? You think the last album was on par with Hello Hurricane?"

her: "I actually havn't heard the last album, I was a huge switchfoot fan back in highschool. Sadly I am behind on whats happeinging with the band!

me: "Not a hardcore fan eh...... Hmm I guess i can overlook this, but only casue your so cute ;) You actually look like one of the women in (insert switchfoot music video link) Why the heck are you on tinder? you must have boys lined up to hit on you like fat kids in line for the icecream truck!

I will touch on more methods/strategies in the next tinder segment. UNTIL THEN.......

Dr. NCMO Love master Jay.

Dump........ The Friend Zone

Let's face it female friends suck........... either you like them, or them you. But lets face it someone is always using you. Here is a list of acceptable uses of female friends. (note because of the rapid marriage rate of LDS females, your "friend" will be married and gone soon anyway.

• Study partner for college class (only if you need her help, and she is better at the subject than you.) Don't let her use you as a free tutor and an emotional tampon for her failed relationships. 
• Relatives, cousins aunts sisters. Honestly develop these friendships over any other female friendships. Plus prospective girl friends will see your great relationships and think "wow this guy is dope". This is far better than her seeing you around a lot of girls that all deem you as "just a friend". 
• girlfriends/wives of a mutual friend. But note this is almost a half friendship if your roommate and his gf are constantly at your apartment you should prob be somewhat of a friend to them. 
• Exes that you no longer want to date, but are fine with the possibility of a FWB (friends with benefits situation.) 
• Co workers (note do not let her take advantage of you). 

Yep that's about it. So right now i want you to disapear from all your female "friends" lives. You will start to see a few dramatic things happen.

• Your old "friends" will start to wonder what your up to. They will call and start chasing you. 
• Women will start viewing you as "That guy who likes me" or "That guy who doesn't like me" instead of. "Oh he is such a good friend!" 
• You will start to have more self respect. 
• You will stop wasting your time and money hanging out with women who just want to use you. Why should you be spending your time hanging with someone else's GF/Wife
• You will save yourself all the frustration of "I don't know if she likes me" and or "It's a complicated situation. 

Now how do you stay out of friend zone with girls. It's simple, if you like a girl let them know that your interested in them sexually/romantically (don't let sexual be deemed a dirty word, kissing hugging cuddling can all be deemed sexual, everyone makes babies with their spouse lets not be babies about terms here). Notice how I didn't say "let them know you like them" NO NO NO "let them know your attracted and you wont settle for anything less."  Plus lets be honest how many guys are stuck HIDING THERE TRUE FEELINGS in order to keep "her friendship". When you hide your true feelings you end up lying to that person, suppressing things you want to say, and being a fake person WHO DOES NOT PURSUE OR CHASE WHAT HE WANTS! you essentially are bending to that woman's will. You are being a pansy. Lets stop being a pansy.

Homework/What you should have gotten out of this post. 

What you got out of it. 

• There is no reason to have female "friends" 
• Stop hiding your intentions/attraction towards females. 

Homework

1. End or significantly reduce all female friendships
2. Stop doing favors for your female "friends" 
3. Don't apologize to your female "friends" for not being there for them.
4. Stop being the shoulder to cry on for females, especially in dating. Just say "hey i'm not your girl friend i don't wanna hear about johnny making out with your sister."

Good luck

DR. NCMO LoveMaster Jay